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		<title>By: Emboldened &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Democracy: It&#8217;s not just for Iraq any more</title>
		<link>http://courtingdestiny.com/2006/04/911-911-tapes-911-families/comment-page-1/#comment-7830</link>
		<dc:creator>Emboldened &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Democracy: It&#8217;s not just for Iraq any more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hehe nice. Pia, perhaps you should add Evansville Wisconsin to your short list of NYC alternatives? The group, which helped organize Tuesday&#8217;s initiatives, is already looking at ways to take the referendums into more communities. Elected officials can&#8217;t ignore the results, especially as the November election season looms, Friedman said. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hehe nice. Pia, perhaps you should add Evansville Wisconsin to your short list of NYC alternatives? The group, which helped organize Tuesday&#8217;s initiatives, is already looking at ways to take the referendums into more communities. Elected officials can&#8217;t ignore the results, especially as the November election season looms, Friedman said. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Philo</title>
		<link>http://courtingdestiny.com/2006/04/911-911-tapes-911-families/comment-page-1/#comment-7816</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pia, I&#039;m not saying we stop paying attention to 9/11 or stop memorializing. Of course of lot of this (especially the political/war on turr&#039;sm) is sensational.

I wish it had never happened. I wish I could think about it in a real, authentic way and not either start crying or trek to Pakistan to personally kill bin Laden. I wish that a friend of mine from high school hadn&#039;t killed himself the night of September 10th, 2001. I wish I wasn&#039;t a New Yorker and didn&#039;t cut to my soul with the fall of the Twin Towers.

But I write this and realize I&#039;m lying. I&#039;m glad I connect to this event because I know it will never have the faux meaning that the senationalists want it to have for me. I know that, like you, my pain is based on my growth in this city. I don&#039;t want it trivialized and I don&#039;t want it reinflicted every time someone wants to post ratings, TV or political.

But you are right Pia. There&#039;s a lot of great cities out there with great things to offer. I&#039;m partial to San Fran (where most of my NYer friends move after NYC) or Baltimore (Bawlmer hon&#039;). Leaving New York is an exciting idea and I think you should embrace it. You&#039;ll miss it, but you can visit. Or watch Law &amp; Order.

drained and losing steam...best of luck pia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pia, I&#8217;m not saying we stop paying attention to 9/11 or stop memorializing. Of course of lot of this (especially the political/war on turr&#8217;sm) is sensational.</p>
<p>I wish it had never happened. I wish I could think about it in a real, authentic way and not either start crying or trek to Pakistan to personally kill bin Laden. I wish that a friend of mine from high school hadn&#8217;t killed himself the night of September 10th, 2001. I wish I wasn&#8217;t a New Yorker and didn&#8217;t cut to my soul with the fall of the Twin Towers.</p>
<p>But I write this and realize I&#8217;m lying. I&#8217;m glad I connect to this event because I know it will never have the faux meaning that the senationalists want it to have for me. I know that, like you, my pain is based on my growth in this city. I don&#8217;t want it trivialized and I don&#8217;t want it reinflicted every time someone wants to post ratings, TV or political.</p>
<p>But you are right Pia. There&#8217;s a lot of great cities out there with great things to offer. I&#8217;m partial to San Fran (where most of my NYer friends move after NYC) or Baltimore (Bawlmer hon&#8217;). Leaving New York is an exciting idea and I think you should embrace it. You&#8217;ll miss it, but you can visit. Or watch Law &amp; Order.</p>
<p>drained and losing steam&#8230;best of luck pia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://courtingdestiny.com/2006/04/911-911-tapes-911-families/comment-page-1/#comment-7829</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember my visit to NYC in August of 2002 after finishing shooting the last scenes of a movie there. Walking through Central Park  and looking up to get my bearings and coming up empty ... it was pysche shuddering. Took me a few minutes to regain what is left of my stability. Bits of my stability was forever lost  on 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember my visit to NYC in August of 2002 after finishing shooting the last scenes of a movie there. Walking through Central Park  and looking up to get my bearings and coming up empty &#8230; it was pysche shuddering. Took me a few minutes to regain what is left of my stability. Bits of my stability was forever lost  on 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: Philo</title>
		<link>http://courtingdestiny.com/2006/04/911-911-tapes-911-families/comment-page-1/#comment-7817</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 02:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much of the times articles was sensationalism? It is dramatic historical evidence that I frankly didn&#039;t have the stomach to read or listen to. Now, &quot;Flight 93&quot; and its trailer is sensationalism and I hope and pray the makers of that film have the sense to donate every penny they make to the 9/11 victims&#039; fund or better yet, to the families of troops who have died fighting Bush&#039;s war in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much of the times articles was sensationalism? It is dramatic historical evidence that I frankly didn&#8217;t have the stomach to read or listen to. Now, &#8220;Flight 93&#8243; and its trailer is sensationalism and I hope and pray the makers of that film have the sense to donate every penny they make to the 9/11 victims&#8217; fund or better yet, to the families of troops who have died fighting Bush&#8217;s war in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: EsotericWombat</title>
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		<dc:creator>EsotericWombat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s got to be a way to get people to stop responding to sensationalism.    It is a facilitator of far too much that&#039;s rotten in our national character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s got to be a way to get people to stop responding to sensationalism.    It is a facilitator of far too much that&#8217;s rotten in our national character.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still can&#039;t believe it&#039;s been 4 and a half years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still can&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s been 4 and a half years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shayna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shayna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a cousin who was there during 9/11... was in the subway when all hell broke loose.  She has since moved because things were becoming way to expensive for her.  She, to this day, will not talk about that day.  She lost a lot of dear friends.

Yes, come one come all to my virtual B-Day Party... I promise a good time... as virually possible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a cousin who was there during 9/11&#8230; was in the subway when all hell broke loose.  She has since moved because things were becoming way to expensive for her.  She, to this day, will not talk about that day.  She lost a lot of dear friends.</p>
<p>Yes, come one come all to my virtual B-Day Party&#8230; I promise a good time&#8230; as virually possible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Philo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in NYC. I was born in Brooklyn and raised in Manhattan, on St Marks Place. I lived close to NYC until high school, but my family stayed close and I&#039;ve always been a regular visitor. I&#039;ve been living back here for the last year (it&#039;s a year alread, ga!).

I was in Baltimore on 9/11. I had friends who worked in the Twin Towers (all either away for meetings or not yet arrived on the day of) and I had other friends on their way to the Towers for meetings. I think that makes me pretty lucky. But the scar that is our empty skyline haunts me.

I remember the first time I came back to New York after 9/11. I was on Amtrak, heading into the city at  sunset. When the train was passing through north Jersey, about to cross the river, I looked out the window and I didn&#039;t know where I was. I honestly did not recognize NYC without the Twin Towers dominating the skyline. This wasn&#039;t New York, this wasn&#039;t where I was raised.

That hasn&#039;t changed in the four plus years since the attack. It still cuts me to walk past the whole that is Ground Zero. I&#039;m enraged to see Asian and African immigrants hawking Twin Towers memorabilia alongside the Towers. I&#039;m going to have to find a way to deal with that, as I&#039;m moving down to West St at the end of the month and I&#039;ll inevitably walking past Ground Zero more often.

Watching movies shot in NY before 9/11 is hard for me -- I get filled with rage seeing shots of the Twin Towers the way they should be standing. Spike Lee&#039;s intro to &lt;i&gt;25th Hour&lt;/i&gt;, with the light monumet to the Towers does the same.

I think you&#039;re right Pia. 9/11 did irrevocable damage to the souls of New Yorkers. It&#039;s not something people who never got to see our city with the Twin Towers standing will ever understand. While I was living in Hawaii, a lot of my friends and coworkers would ask about 9/11 and if the loss of the towers made that much of a difference. I&#039;d tell them that our skyline was our soul and now something was missing. They&#039;d understand how it hurt us, but not get that it was truly their loss too.

I hope you find a living situation that works. This city is too damned expensive and there&#039;s no harm in leaving. You&#039;ll always be a New Yorker, leaving never changes that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in NYC. I was born in Brooklyn and raised in Manhattan, on St Marks Place. I lived close to NYC until high school, but my family stayed close and I&#8217;ve always been a regular visitor. I&#8217;ve been living back here for the last year (it&#8217;s a year alread, ga!).</p>
<p>I was in Baltimore on 9/11. I had friends who worked in the Twin Towers (all either away for meetings or not yet arrived on the day of) and I had other friends on their way to the Towers for meetings. I think that makes me pretty lucky. But the scar that is our empty skyline haunts me.</p>
<p>I remember the first time I came back to New York after 9/11. I was on Amtrak, heading into the city at  sunset. When the train was passing through north Jersey, about to cross the river, I looked out the window and I didn&#8217;t know where I was. I honestly did not recognize NYC without the Twin Towers dominating the skyline. This wasn&#8217;t New York, this wasn&#8217;t where I was raised.</p>
<p>That hasn&#8217;t changed in the four plus years since the attack. It still cuts me to walk past the whole that is Ground Zero. I&#8217;m enraged to see Asian and African immigrants hawking Twin Towers memorabilia alongside the Towers. I&#8217;m going to have to find a way to deal with that, as I&#8217;m moving down to West St at the end of the month and I&#8217;ll inevitably walking past Ground Zero more often.</p>
<p>Watching movies shot in NY before 9/11 is hard for me &#8212; I get filled with rage seeing shots of the Twin Towers the way they should be standing. Spike Lee&#8217;s intro to <i>25th Hour</i>, with the light monumet to the Towers does the same.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right Pia. 9/11 did irrevocable damage to the souls of New Yorkers. It&#8217;s not something people who never got to see our city with the Twin Towers standing will ever understand. While I was living in Hawaii, a lot of my friends and coworkers would ask about 9/11 and if the loss of the towers made that much of a difference. I&#8217;d tell them that our skyline was our soul and now something was missing. They&#8217;d understand how it hurt us, but not get that it was truly their loss too.</p>
<p>I hope you find a living situation that works. This city is too damned expensive and there&#8217;s no harm in leaving. You&#8217;ll always be a New Yorker, leaving never changes that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ken grandlund</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken grandlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pia-

As a current resident of So Cal (San Diego county) I would welcome you here with open arms. It&#039;s kiind of pricey here too, but not nearly the baggage that NYC carries with it- by that I mean the constant feelings surrounding 9-11.

Not to imply that I forget the tragedy of that day- I think of it regularly, and what the implications of that day has brought to our lives and our world. But I don&#039;t have to walk by the places it happenned day in and day out- a chance to focus on all the other problems and yes, the good things too.

Come to SoCal- I&#039;ll help you unpack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pia-</p>
<p>As a current resident of So Cal (San Diego county) I would welcome you here with open arms. It&#8217;s kiind of pricey here too, but not nearly the baggage that NYC carries with it- by that I mean the constant feelings surrounding 9-11.</p>
<p>Not to imply that I forget the tragedy of that day- I think of it regularly, and what the implications of that day has brought to our lives and our world. But I don&#8217;t have to walk by the places it happenned day in and day out- a chance to focus on all the other problems and yes, the good things too.</p>
<p>Come to SoCal- I&#8217;ll help you unpack.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents and brothers were in NYC on 9/11. All alone in new mexico, i realized just how far removed we are from things here.

Come to Santa Fe. On a good day, you might see Kevin Bacon (my husband saw him last week) buying fresh produce at a roadside market.

The air is clean, and the light is breath taking. It feels healthy to live here.
(sorry didnt mean to sound like a tourist ad)

I do think you&#039;d like it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents and brothers were in NYC on 9/11. All alone in new mexico, i realized just how far removed we are from things here.</p>
<p>Come to Santa Fe. On a good day, you might see Kevin Bacon (my husband saw him last week) buying fresh produce at a roadside market.</p>
<p>The air is clean, and the light is breath taking. It feels healthy to live here.<br />
(sorry didnt mean to sound like a tourist ad)</p>
<p>I do think you&#8217;d like it though.</p>
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