This is plain silly. Thieves may kill but just to get away. But torturing and butchering an entire family, including an 8-year-old child in such horrendous ways indicates that the murderer(s) was motivated by intense hate. Only a Muslim is capable of hating this much, it is what the Qu’ran teaches.
That’s an actual quote from Cao’s blog. I wasn’t going to include a link to it, but that’s such a sick statement, I must ask people to think about it, and maybe post a comment on Cao’s blog.
I don’t think Cao is an actual person but a coalition as nobody would have the time to “research” as many issues as Cao does, write, and still have some semblance of a life.
The thing is that our country is in a real crisis, and Cao’s blog is a big indicator of the problem.
I posted sorry cao sometimes a murder is just a murder this morning because Cao insisted, as shown in the quote that begins this post, that only a Muslim can commit such a horrible crime.
Just typing that sentence makes me sick.
Cao, whoever, whatever, you are, do you really believe that Christian, Jews, Hindu’s, Buddhists, and people of all other religions are not capable of killing a family of four? Wake up and smell your arm pits.
I’m not going into specifics. You can find the links to the articles in The New York Times
The New York Post which I used to read for the horoscope and some other features was the first paper to spread that sick theory. Cao of course bought in to it, hook, line and stinker.
Cao believes that two men will willingly spend the rest of their lives in jail to take the rap for Muslims. Hello!!
Did The Muslimskidnap their mothers, girlfriends and kids?
It was a robbery; plain and simple. However Cao can’t accept that.
Today Cao has a post on the ACLU; calls it the American Communist Liberties Union. Cao, can you go any lower? You probably think that phrase is an example of your incredible right wing humor.
Ann Coulter, can you get any funnier? If I were stuck in an elevator with her I’d die of boredom.
I hadn’t planned to write at all about any of Cao’s posts when Cranky Liberal sent me a link to the Only Muslims post. I had to write about it.
I had to begin taking Cao seriously. It’s not fun. But Cao’s an influential venom that has to be sucked dry.
My dad had turned into in a Republican; a true neocon. But I loved him, and he believed in human rights, dignity, and equality. My dad was a CPA who actually helped people in any area of their life. While I hated it when he interfered in my life, I have always been humbled by his generosity. He stopped interfering in my life, though it drove him crazy that everybody listened to him but his wife and two daughters.
I bring my dad into this because he taught me never to judge a person solely from his politics. I have had many good Republican friends over the years. But they’ve all been the real version of Compassionate Conservative
I don’t understand what’s happening in our country. It’s been said that I’m not patriotic. Oh but I am, and Cao and friends can’t take that love away, try as they may.
Nor can they stop me from speaking out. My life’s a pretty open book; there is nothing in it that could possibly shame me that I haven’t told somebody or many people already. I don’t tell other peoples’ secrets, but mine are out there. Nobody can blackmail me into silence for any reason.
I’m going to write about other things also because I need to laugh. I need to laugh so badly I only see comedies. Tonight I was supposed to see the new Will Smith film, but it was all sold out. Nobody would go with me to see the new Deborah Messing film. Frankly I couldn’t blame them and decided to go during the week.
But Cao I’m going to be watching you. Many of us will be. It’s not because we respect you; it’s not because we think you influence a wide spectrum of people. But those few you do influence you fill with garbage and insist that they are facts.
You’re trying to rewrite the writing of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and history of this country. One thing I hate is a history revisionist.
I have written often in my blog that I’m Jewish. I support Israel also. I don’t agree with some things that Israel does. I understand why and how Israel came to be.
So think you right wing ideologues. When you tell me that I’m a Muslim lover in general, you’re getting it all wrong.
I want all terrorists to be caught.
I want an end to suicide bombing everywhere.
Darn it, I want world peace.
Yikes! “Only a muslim is capabler of” ? I doubt”Cao” gets out that much. I do hope he/she was only posting that for internet sensationalism…
wow, no, I don’t think he/they actually believe that and would chaulk this comment up to sensationalism intended to gain what? noteriaty maybe? but yeah, wow. that’s just … sad.
She is an actual person, who is a friend of mine. If you want to see how the far left is twisting and changing the original intentions of our founding fathers I have an excellent post on my site to educate you.
http://www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com
Well, I would have to agree that hate is not something which Islam has a patent on by any means…
But Caos thoughts, as you have to then admit, are not “Republican” or “Democratic” thoughts, though she/he is one of the two, but the cry of one who is angry over what she/he sees as the extreme hatred being taught by the religion of Islam!
So, I would have to agree if Caos would have said that the religion of Islam is partially to blame for such killings! Because they are…
theodore… yes, we know. it’s not black or white. yes terrorism exists, yes it claims to be fueled by the only true faith. and yes, dammit, people die, that’s why we’re here talking about this.
the reason terrorists have any sort of support is because Islamic governmnets have gradually become useless. if you want to find out more about that and how the jihad turned from a peaceful practice to a hate-filled one, pick up a book by M.J. Akbar called the Shade of the Sword.
And by useless, I mean they have submitted to foreign influence and control. And by foreign of course I mean the US, among others.
I’m not blaming anyone. Things happened that way. And now it’s all one big mess, and to somehow wade through it, we need to see all sides of the issue with a clear and rational mind…
instead of pointing fingers and crying witch.
some days I’m not surprised Arthur Miller died of a heart failure.
I think that the 2 suspects were next door neighbours, and the girl recognised them, and then they where executed to protect their identity, that is what I read on one blog. This Muslim thing is only about controlling oil, that is it. Saddam put a surcharge on oil to America, and that was how it started, though they quickly removed the surcharge afterwards.
Wow. Have people completely forgotten about all the atrocities in history done in the name of Christianity?
These things are all conveniently set aside when committing oneself to the hatred of an entire culture of people, never mind that the majority of these people are content to live in peace and mind their own business.
One (or ten) bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch, but apparently, it can take the shine off the entire bushel in the eyes of someone who doesn’t care for apples…
To Miya, Are you talking about the 500,000 women who were murdered because they were witches.
Anna is as usual completely right. That would have been my argument though less eloquent.
The family was murdered by a person who rented an apartment from them and an accomplice of his
Would love to solely blame the oil industry; would love to say this happened because and then list one or two concrete answers
Would even love to say that during and after WW2, had the US and other governments, allowed Jews in, there would have been a different outcome.
Would love to say that had the US government then not turned away from what was happening in the Mideast things would have been very different.
I mean at the time, 60 years ago, not now.
But I can’t say any of that can I?
And thanks, Jay for letting us know that Cao is an actual woman. unfortunately I can’t read any more hate blogs this weekend.
I get that same kind of stomach turning feeling I did as a kid when I would sneak in The National Enquirer or True Confessions.
2 NUCLEAR BOMBS were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki - BY WHOM?
I was once told that Christian countries have invented and first used **every** new weapon of war since about 1200 AD…
CAO is, I agree, repellent, but the Left in America NEEDS something morally vile to kick against. Go practise - aim low!
I’m a new reader here to say this is a gorgeous web site, and that there are far too many Caos on the planet. She sounds like the supposed Muslims she reviles. My favorite recent quote comes from comedian Jon Stewart: “Religion — a source of comfort and hope in a world torn apart by religion.” Thanks for the treat that is this blog!
“the religion of Islam is partially to blame for such killings”
That’s like saying that the religion of Christianity is partially to blame for the Holocaust, or the actions of the KKK. The religion of Islam is not to blame . . . it is the individuals & groups who DISTORT the teachings of Islam, Christianity and Judaism to fit their own warped goals.
History has shown us that there are mass murderers everywhere — some motivated by hate, some motivated by a sick pleasure thankfully most of us will never understand. For someone to utter the words you quote above, they must have descended to the level of hatred that can motivate mass murder for pleasure.
If anyone wants to see what hared can do, check out the movie Hotel Rwanda — just one of many stories that chronicles the hatred people are capable of.
apologies Pia for running around your comments section like I own this place…
Phil: I respectfully disagree. I think there’s a fine line between what is inherent in a religion, and what is distorted.
Christianity and Islam have the same roots (though they may deny it) and look how startingly different they are. There is also no clear distinction in history between what was a purposeful change to religious texts, and what was an honest misinterpretation.
For example, the people who first translated the Bible from Hebrew (or was it the Greek version?) into English for the King left many comments saying how impossible a task it was - the languages so different one had to either translate word for word, which didn’t make any sense, or apply one’s own understanding of the passages.
That’s why there are contradictions.
And because there are many contradictions in BOTH the Qu’ran and all the different editions of the Bible, it has become very easy to use those texts to support ideas that were never intended by either religion.
The Jihad turned from a peaceful sacrifice for the Lord (involving no one else but yourself) into mass killings of disbelievers somewhere around the time mass production of the Qu’ran was banned following the invention of the printing press.
Because the Islamic “liasons” between the common people and Allah, forgive me there is a name but it eludes me, decided that they didn’t want the power of interpretation to be taken out of their hands and given to the masses.
Now no one (or very few) question what they are told about their religion.
Add to that the Islamic governments, the Saudis bending over backwards for the US, and religious extremists being the only people at least pretending like they are doing thigns “for the people” and you get the state of the world as it is now.
Is it the fault of religion or the texts? Not completely, if at all.
Is it the fault of intentional misinterpretation? Only in part.
feel free Anna to take over anytime!
Find us some examples of religious Jews killing a family, or some religious Christians doing the same and maybe we’d by your argument.
Cao reminds me of some fundamentalist Christians who posted at this board about how horrible Muslims were and how they should all be killed for not being Christians or Jewish. They would say all these things that weren’t even true. It was awful. They also talked about other things, much like the way Cao talks. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was a member of that board.
To the powers that be: your argument makes no sense. You do realize that you’re agreeing that the two people who were arrested most likely did the killings.
Whole families are killed in botched robberies in the US and every other country.
I don’t understand why people find it so difficult to accept that this was a robbery gone very wrong.
What saddens me as a woman, a person, a Jew, and, a citizen of the United States is the fact that you all would be cheering if a Christian killed a Muslim family.
I don’t understand a mindset that condones violence.
Hey Pia ,this is my first visit to your blog and it is really great one ,I am Egyptian Muslim and I have read the articles Coa published in his/her or even their blog , and I guess what increases the gap between the different sides of world are persons like Coa and other people from different religions people just forget ,there are n’t only redical terrorist muslims but also chirstians, Jews ,Hindus and others
I am afraid this accident showed how the muslim are being treated in the american media
there is a great misconceptation to Islam because of two reasons related to politics ,the first muslims themselves are not any practice the real Islam of equity ,Jusitce and Peace ,the second I am afraid the american Government is using the Islam another as a danger just like Communism ,the green danger after the red danger
It is really hopeful to see americans who respect others people believes
Thanks Zeinobia. I’m just trying to provide a forum for people to express ideas on.
What makes me really sad is that I’m truly a moderate.
I thought our country learned some lessons from Viet Nam, but I guess each generation has to relearn them.
History should be our teacher and guide, yet…
Jay I went to your self proclaimed
excellent web site on stopping the ACLU.
When you choose to make statements like that you should be prepared to back them up with real facts, and real sources, and not use bigoted student sources.
What court cases has the ACLU been in that promote polygamy?
Where is it in any of their literature, mission statement etc?
I know that this is off my own subject, but it is indicative of how people like you are smearing the good names of people who work to help promote civil liberties.
While my blog will always accept all comments; I personally feel sleezed and dirty, by your distortions and total untruths.
Wow…what a bunch of idiots around here….Cao is a woman, not a she/he….learn to pronounce her name and you may have been able to figure it out.
And Pia? Read the ACLUs founding mission statement. By the Tongue of St. Fu you people are complete idiots.
To put it simply, Cao has mental problems.
Thank you Ticklebug; i needed that.
http://www.aclu.org/about/aboutmain.cfm
Here’s a link to the ACLU’s mission statement. Nowhere does it promote pologomy.
Nor do your tax dollars support the ACLU,
kender everytime you and your friends make statements like that you’re alienating moderate Republicans, and helping my cause which is just to keep the First Amendment as it is.
I was going to say as it is written but I know you and your friends have problems reading properly.
I devoted much more time than I wanted to this weekend to the murders in Jersey City because I’m sick of people who make everything fit their neat little life perspective, and refuse to accept that a famlly was murdered in a botched robbery.
We are all guilty of forgetting about their relatives pain—oh right, their pain will go away only if Muslims killed the family; not if the alleged murderers are found guilty because they very well might be.
But let us not read the ACLU mission statement.
Let us not let the law enforcement officials be the people to indict the murderers.
The world is so much easier when people ignore facts.
Pia…you are such a ninny!
You have no clue as to the truth of the ACLU and its stated goals….dig deeper zippy. The ACLU has all of their legal expenses paid BY THE GOVERNMENT every time they win a case for “civil rights”…..THAT, my dear deluded moron, is how your tax dollars support the ACLU.
Further, the PC drivel you are reading on the ACLU main page is CRAP!!!!!!
Roger Baldwin said “communism is the goal”.
The ACLU has the most heinious agenda of any group in the US, they are even worse than such groups as the aryan nation and the KKK…at least those two groups are HONEST about their agenda.
You are perhaps the goofiest person I have ever seen online, and that is saying something after all the time I have been watching the left get stupider since kerry lost.
Get an education dipstick, especially before you try to challenge ME on what the ACLU stands for.
keep it up, Kender. Who are you? What gives you the qualifications to talk with such authority about the ACLU or anything?
Most people would delete that comment because you personalized it, and called me absurd names.
I’m leaving it in because it shows how tormented and angry you are.
Thanks for helping me.
It shows how angry I am that someone so blatently ill informed about the ACLU can spout drivel about their goals and motives, not to mention that your knowledge of their funding is incomplete.
Feel free to step up to the goal of learning the truth behind the ACLU and THEN you can talk about it. Until you get your head out of the kool aid jug though you won’t see what is going on.
Gee, kender used such big words like stupider and dipstick. Wow with such an educated rebuttal like that Pia - I’d head for the hills. You know how those wingnuts are dilligetn about facts. Such as Roger Baldwin was a socialist and pro-Soviet communist …in the 20’s and 30’s (as were many people given the horrid labor conditions etc). Of course Kender doen’t bother to mention that Baldwin also changed his mind later and banned communist sympathizers from the ACLU board.
The tax payer issue is a red herring too. If you sue someone in court and win, the losing side ends up paying. You know anytime you sue someone and win, your lawyer ends up getting paid out of the settlement. This is not the same as saying the ACLU is funded by our taxes. Your taking a given and trying to turn it into a A-HA moment. It’s more like Ho-Hum.
The ACLU fights for anyones Constitutionaly protected rights. The KKK, student prayer clubs, Right Wing politicos ANYBODY. Everyone on the ‘right” likes to throw out NAMBLA. Great. Disgusting group - but they were not sued because they advocated a crime, or for any specific thing they said (they advocate pushing to get the laws changed, which while sick is legal) - no they were sued because “totality of the child sex environment” they promoted led to a heinous crime. When the defense asked for specific examples in the literature or website that advocated breaking the law, the plaintiffs were unable to respond. The ACLU took this case because of the chilling effect it could have on PROTECTED free speech. They were right to do so. They didnt agree with the group, any more than than David Goldberger agreed with the Nazi’s in Skokie. They believe in the ideals of the Bill of Rights. They take on some cases I despise, and some I support, but the “agenda” is the same - fair treatment under the law for everyone.
But that’s ok kendar, the ACLU would fight for your right to hate them. They might, like me think your a dolt, but hey, they’d still defend your right to be inane. Me, I’ll just make fun of your lack of facts.
Kender, the March of Dimes no longer fights polio it just may be that the ACLU has goals other than a worldwide communist takeover in 2005.
I don’t know how you were raised, but insulting people on their website doesn’t demonstrate their ignorance, now does it.
Pia’s right about alienating conservatives. I’m a good old fashioned conservative small-government, states’ rights, pro-liberty kind of guy and regret the departure of the Republicans. And by the way, you’re wrong that the government pays all of the ACLU’s expenses. I give ‘em a little.
The ACLU doesn’t fight for civil rights….they fight against freedom of religion, (nativity scenes, christmas carols in schools) and are biased against the 2nd amendment. They fight against the symbols of christianity, (but no other group) that harm nobody, and promote and defend laws that take away parental rights, (kids on cali can leave school to get medical care, i.e. abortions, birth control), while the vast majority of this country wallows in ignorance, letting these things occur.
Do you have a kid? How would you feel if your child were off getting tested for STDs at 15 without your knowledge, whil ethey were supposed to be in school, and that the people that had the knowledge that your child may be heading towards trouble, (or already there) were not allowed, by law, to let you know?
Also, I don’t know if you are a christian but how does viewing a christian symbol or hearing a song that mentions God harm those that aren’t believers?
And I never said the government pays for the ACLU…..I was refuting the statement that tax dollars don’t suport the ACLU….everytime they “win” a case your tax dollars are at work destroying the country.
I copied this from Kender’s website.
Feel free to post comments, rants, or even personal attacks. It simply shows your idiocy if you do the latter.
You can say anything you want here. But if you get stupid I reserve the right to point it out and delete the Comment.
What can I say Kender? You can dish out insults but you can’t take them?
And in your first paragraph of your insult to me you did say that the ACLU uses tax dollars, but you were too busy insulting me to realize what you were saying.
They do recieve tax dollars everytime they win a case against the government…and I can take it just fine.
I have never deleted a comment yet.
And thanks for stopping by.
Quick, early morning thoughts.
The ACLU is, by and large, a bad organization. They may have (at one time had) noble goals, but those have been twisted by bias.
As to the atrocities committed by / in the name of Christianity - yes, there have been bad times. All people/groups have them. Ours are far in the past, and we openly admit they were bad. We do not embrace, nor complicitly permit the actions of, the ‘bad apples’ (past or present). Can the same be said of Islam currently? (Saying your are Muslim and want terrorists to be caught is all well and good, but have you done anything about it? Have you pushed your people away from those who hate?)
/TJ
PS - Cao is, in fact, a female (not a he/she, and not a group) … and anger in reaction to hate/threats may not be ‘good’, but it is easily more justifiable than the initial hate itself.
You know it might be interesting if people actualy did some research on the actual court cases instead of relying on Rush Limbaugh to educate them. The ACLU is not biased agaisnt the 2nd Amendment. They have a clear statement of neutrality. They feel that the 1939 US vs Miller Supreme court case has already established (and therefor decided the Constituitonliaty) that “arms” can be regulated and that the proper role for that legislation is Congress.
The ACLU is not anti Christian and has defended the rights of Christians> they have defended Jerry Falwell. They have defended churchs all over the country. eligious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act that was passed in 2000, as well as the Equal Access Act, which guarantees that religious groups have the same access to public facilities that any other community groups do. They even defended the rightof an elementary school student who wanted to hand out candy canes to his classmates with a card attached that had a Christian message on it. Anti-Christian? Hardly. It’s a real simple game - No government sponsorship of religion. Put your display at your church, your house, your private business - not on GOVERNMENT property, unless it fits the already established court guidelines.
They also have filed suit against other religious symbols. TO say that they only fight aginst Christian symbols is both a gross mistatement, it shows an incredible lack of research. It is just wrong.
I want to know where the thought that Chirstianity has all of its “bad apples” are in the past? What country are you talking about? The abortion clinic bombings happened here to name one easy example. Go beyond our borders and “christians” are just as likely to be terrorist groups (see India, Ireland and Lebanon).
Get some facts and come back to the debate.
Cao and Kender are neither Republican or Democrat but neo-con fascist. I have no problems saying this. It doesn’t take much reading to figure out their agenda. Trying to fight them especially if your part of the left classifies you as a Commie and anti-American.
I used to visit Cao’s site in an attempt to point out what I saw as wrong with her thinking but what it got me was viscious slander, not just on her site but others, of the type that if I lived in the states I could sue. Using my real name she told outright lies in an attempt to destroy my character.
I’ve left her now and blogsurf on past her site. Hate always destroys so I already know the end of Cao.
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