Just posted Bonnie of Frogma’s comment on Bring it on! If you read it you will understand.
I love the USA but I haven’t felt good about it since the impeachment. The one for lying about sex.
Remember he wasn’t indicted; remember that The Grand Jury hearings were a mockery because we kept on hearing things about it while it was happening.
Scooter Libby lied about much more important things. Obstruction of justice into an investigation about JoeWilson/Valerie Plame. There might be an investigation into the war in Iraq.
As I remember Clinton was convicted before the impeachment hearing happened by all who didn’t like him;though he was never even indicted. Have linked the official Impeachment hearings. Have separately linked an explanation of the federal Grand Jury process. I bitched enough when I was on a New York City Grand Jury for a month; can’t imagine what it’s like to be on one for two years. the University of Michigan Document collection Clinton’s hearing includes that and much more. It’s an amazing source of information.
When Ken Starr began his very public campaign against Clinton, mud began to be slung, and not by “liberals.” It’s Republican/Conservatives who have been throwing words around, and have been trying to make everybody they don’t like into a meaningless idiot.
Read the indictment. It’s in plain English. Libby lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope that Rove is investigated. Impeach Bush and that entire administration. They’re the ones hiding behind talk about moral values. Morals and values that they lack; read the indictment.
I’m very proud of my country today; I’m very proud of being part of Bring it on!
The radical right has gone around the blogosphere lording it over everybody that they don’t agree with, because they had the power.
I have been ashamed of this country since the Impeachment, then there was the stolen election, then 9/11. Gave Bush a free pass until he sent us to Iraq on March 9, 2003 to look for WMD’s.
I can be ashamed and still love my country. For America to become great again we must investigate the war in Iraq. Don’t want to see one more person needlessly die.
Scooter Libby sort of represents the entire administration to me. The arrogance, the I’m better than you, holier than thou attitude. He lied and lied and lied and lied and lied.
Investigate Rove! Convict Delay! Investigate the war in Iraq! Investigate Cheney!
Impeach Bush!
We the people of the United States of America have begun to be heard from; we finally are beginning to count again. Not just the Bush administration, his friends, and the Internet trolls who are sooooooooooo righteous.
Not turning off comments; don’t want to be accused of banning, everybody I don’t like, when I have banned one person for making overtly racist remarks.
This is my country and I love it so much. Don’t understand how I can love it and blame the government for lying since before they were actually in power?
Maybe you will understand now.
ONE MORE THING: WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR BIN LADEN: THE ENTIRE CITY OF NEW YORK WILL HELP HANG HIM. AND I CAN’T THINK OF ANOTHER PERSON WE WOULD BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY FOR
DON’T TELL A NEW YORKER THAT WE LIKE TERRORISTS OR SUPPORT THEM IN ANY WAY. WE JUST HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD HOW THE WAR IN IRAQ HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
This is going to be the best Halloween in New York in, oh, five or so years. Don’t remember it four years ago, no I was in no condition to celebrate. So when I’m asked “why do you hate America so much?” it stings.
9/11 was very personal; I have made peace with it, but will never forget it. Never. Almost a thousand more people died in the implosion than have died in Iraq. Hope we can keep it that way.
The first plane attacked at 8;58 AM. Two and a half hours later it would have been lunch time. The mall would have been filled with people who worked in the neighborhood, lived in the neighborhood, or were just passing through. I mention this because many people I know did escape. Had it happened later, I can’t and won’t imagine how devastating it would have been.
So when people ask me why I hate America: a few things; I knew that day that I would have been willing to die for my country, because I love it so damn much.
When did dissent become confused with hate for a country?
Why don’t we ask the Clinton haters the same question? Because it’s their right and responsiblity as citizens to speak out.
We understand and respect their dissent*, but they have never given us the same courtesy. Think that says a lot.
*While Clinton was president; during the after-election, and right now. Because I just might think that making light of the indictments is un-American.
Scooter Libby lied about much more important things. Obstruction of justice into an investigation about JoeWilson/Valerie Plame. There might be an investigation into the war in Iraq.
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Libby has been indicted and resigned.
Are you happy now darling?
Take a close look at your blog. You libs are imploding! Try being rational. No one has been convicted. I know, I know… Only terrorists are innocent until proven guilty… those darn Republicans! Who do they think they are winning all those elections anyway?! I guess if you can’t win a fair election, litigate! Accuse! Call nasty names!
That’ll teach ’em! Oh, and that’d be a great platforn to run on (again) in ’06 and ’08 if I were you. Just a thought.
Nobody wants terrorists free. Find Bin Laden and the entire of city of New York would turn out for his hanging
Call nasty names? Ever since Ken Starr went after Bill Clinton nasty names have been bandied about and not by “liberals”
Thank you. I get so tired of trying to say what I think and having people on the other side decide I am just throwing around accusations. They won’t believe and there is a group who never will–even if we have it all on video tape! The thin that bothers me is that if I stand up against the war in Iraq, I am now being accused of being “for terrorism”? Hello? Saddam did what to us? Oh yeah, he controlled oil…
First of all, what did Saddam do?
http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html
Note the children. This was one of hundreds of attacks Saddam ordered against his own people. The man was grade A evil and should have been removed the first time.
70% of our oil comes from Veneauela and the Phillipines. The middle east is the main supplier for Europe, not North America. Think shipping costs.
In no way am I defending Bush and his his handlers. Outing a field agent is one of the worst things I’ve seen done in politics. But Clinton had two opportunities to kill/capture bin Laden and didn’t take them. And Congress voted for the war in Iraq, and not on partisan lines.
Things are more complicated than Democrats versus Republicans. I love my country too, Pia. And like you I don’t like where it’s headed. No matter who’s in charge.
Just wondering – What’s the likelihood that Libby spills in a plea bargin to cut a deal with Fitzy to testify against an already bent over whitehouse screwing the whole lot of them to their own cross?
Pretty low, I’d say, Windspike. I think they’re using little Scooter as their fall guy and that he’ll take the rap to save his bosses. After all, what’s the worst they can do–stick him in a country club jail for a few months?
And thanks for the millionth time, Pia, for pointing out that we New Yorkers and Washingtonians have more right than anyone else to hate the terrorists. But that doesn’t mean we have to wave the flag in other peoples’ faces or support crooked wars to prove it. We live with the results of 9/11 every day of our lives–and we know it.
Hi. Full disclosure first, I am a regular reader & fan of Courting Destiny.
I am also a NYC resident and I was AT the WTC on September 11th. I ran for my life and over 80 former co-workers there were not so fortunate. I was ferociously in favor of the war in Afghanistan; I have never been a big fan of Bush but I actually admired the way that the administration took the time to investigate & pull together a coalition rather than rushing blindly to attack.
But when Osama escaped justice, and the war drums started beating for Saddam, I felt like the administration was using Saddam to distract the rest of the country – (you can’t fool New Yorkers that way, we were there, we lived it, we knew the story and we didn’t forget Osama even when months would go by without Bush so much as mentioning the name – that’s part of why so many of us have gone solidly into the anti-Bush camp) from noticing that we had failed to “smoke ’em out”.
Eagerness for a war is a heinous thing, and I think Bush found the concept of being a “war president” a little too heady, was a little too eager to look around for more once the situation in Afghanistan began to quiet down. I wanted to see Osama captured; I wanted to see Afghanistan recover from the years after we congratulated the Mujaheddin for driving out the Soviets, then abandoned them to the tender mercies of the mullahs who invited Osama there to train the people who flew those planes into the towers above my head that day (if I had been 15 minutes earlier, or even made the wrong turn while I was fleeing, I do not know if I would still be here) – in short, I thought that what we did in Afghanistan was justified and for a good cause and I wanted to see us finish THAT mission (meaning seeing Afghanistan on her way to a true recovery and Osama on trial for 9/11). Maybe attending more closely to that before rushing back to war would have made for a better, stronger, happier Afghanistan more quickly. Maybe that would’ve started some positive ripples spreading in a way that “shock and awe” never could – but that would’ve taken time & patience – and instead we rushed back into a second invasion that’s now entangled us there in a terrible way.
I felt utterly and very personally betrayed when suddenly that mission was replaced with Iraq. There was no proven connection between Iraq and the WTC but that was lost in the obfuscations leading up to the invasions. Al Qaeda is certainly there now – and the one thing that scares me that makes me hesitate to join in the “bring them home” chorus – is that I think that they WILL work to turn Iraq into what Afghanistan was before – but they are there BECAUSE OF OUR WAR. Let’s not lose sight of this. This war has us in a damned if we do, damned if we don’t situation the likes of which I’m not quite old enough to have seen before. And I hate it. And I wish that we actually knew what the majority of Iraqis wanted us to do because that is what I think I would want us to do.
Saddam was evil. I’m not arguing that fact. NOBODY is. Had the administration’s case in fact turned out to be true, I might even have been mollified. In fact I really would have LIKED to be wrong, it actually would have been so much better if things had happened the way Bush thought they were going to – would’ve been the most delicious crow ever served, I think.
As it is, that wasn’t the case – and now we’ve got 2,000 dead of our own plus 26K+ Iraqi civilians, which makes me ill – and Osama’s still free, and the Taliban is still in Afghanistan, and…and every revelation of even the SLIGHTEST underhanded dealing here at home feels like a little more betrayal. I trust these people less and less.
I think I’ve said enough now. Let the hate mail commence.
Just to let you know, I have recently added your blog as one of my favorites. I am very impressed with your insights and style of writing. As to this post, thank you. As a native New Yorker, I too feel it important that dissent not be seen as some form of treason. I in no way support the war, though I do support our troops. We have a strong military tradition in our family. I currently have three members serving in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, so I support them wholeheartedly. I have never asked them if they support the war or not. I feel that their beliefs are their own to keep. I do not support either of these military actions and have not from the beginning. I do however, support a true war on terrorism. Now, if we could just find one!!
And I wish that we actually knew what the majority of Iraqis wanted us to do because that is what I think I would want us to do.
We actually have a pretty good idea what the Iraqis want because we can ask their Democratically elected leaders. Don’t forget that Iraqis come out in force not once but twice to vote in elections for their leaders. It is those democratically elected leaders who have asked us to stay. Even the Sunnis are gathering names for parties for the next election. More and more the people we are fighting are not Iraqi but the are Al-Qaeda in fact, they call themselves Al Qaeda in Iraq. Any argument along the line that leaving is what is best of Iraq is dishonest. As for the indictment, no one has been convicted of anything all. What you read on the indictment is what he is accused of not what anyone has proven or even at this point has evidence to sport. It is just a legal document saying an issue is worth looking into. You know they had to go judge shopping just to get this indictment. Further more Judith Miller hardly a Woodward or Bernstein has endangered our whole country with her irresponsible “journalism†which the NY times should have been wise to because she has published false stories and use journalistic shortcuts in the past. About Bin Laden he is just a symbol he is not directly responsible, in addition he is very possibly dead. In any rate, Ayman al-Zawahri seams to be running things why not ask for his head on a platter it is a better idea. I remember a lot of democrats saying that Bin Laden was not the foci of our enemy a while back but apparently you have changed your minds.
Hey there is a Democrat who put out a video to help Bush fix his “Scooter” issue. Very Funny
The Whitehouse Needs Your Vespa
Here’s an article from July regarding what the Iraqi government has to say concerning the Iraqi people’s preferences –
Mindflame’s comment about the elected government made me remember this press conference – happened in late July this year.
Headline is also link –
Iraqi PM urges speedy withdrawal of US troops
That being said I have one more thing to say –
Pia, I’m sorry, it actually just hit me that when you’ve been trying to get the tone here a little more civilized – debate on Bring It On, you keep saying & saying & then here I go debating…that was more than a little lame. Particularly the bit where I say “Let the hate mail begin” – when the hate mail’s gonna end up in your inbox, not mine. That was actually quite inconsiderate to say without asking you & I apologize.
I enjoyed reading that post Pia. The comment section has been quite interesting too. I don’t understand how anybody can question your patriotism because you dissent. Wasn’t it Thomas Jefferson who said something about that?
Oh, and I just noticed there’s actually two Bonnies who commented here. Just in case anyone was mixed up!
Pia, I agree with your post. I remember when W was elected, or shortly thereafter, it seemed he was immediately just a sitting duck. Until 9/11. Now, in comparing his campaign speeches about going after Saddam, and knowing that he used an event that affected even those of us who have only visited NYC in a way we could never have imagined, it’s obvious that he and his administration have used the horror of that day to “avenge” his father.
In response to Mindflame’s comment: “About Bin Laden he is just a symbol he is not directly responsible, in addition he is very possibly dead.”
Are you kidding me? We have seen him claim responsibility on video. How can you even attempt to justify not nailing the SOB that actually was responsible for 9/11?
I’m happy to hear of the Libby indictment. I won’t be completely happy, though, until Rove and others are included in those indictments. This administration has done nothing positive for our country from day one…and it’s about time that they started to pay for it.
Wonderful press conference, wasn’t it? I really love that man – typical Chicago no-bullshit; straight-shooting, this is how it is, bite me if you don’t like it. I wish he could have indicted Rove as well, but hey! Who knows? The worm might yet turn.
My experience of 9/11 was, of course, removed from yours. I had a friend in Manhatten – I panicked until I knew he had survived. You know, when I was a kid, there was this old man who used to sit on a bench in the middle of town. They said he was shell-shocked, but I was too young to really grasp that. One day I sat next to him on that bench. I was 10. He began talking, not looking at me, just to himself – softly, so I had to lean in to hear.
This was the sixties – he was a veteran of WWI; keep in mind it was scarcely more than 20 years since WWII ended. So he told me all about getting gassed – the trenches, the bombs, the dead. I couldn’t hear most of it – but what I did hear gave me nightmares. I felt so sorry for him. What he had lived through was terrible. It’s that way with 9/11, isn’t it? You were there. I’m sorry – sorry it happened, sorry for those who saw it, sorry for all of us, really. There is no magic that can ever put it right.
Woohoo… this is a huge subject you’re all commenting on, and one that I’m not getting involved in 🙂
It’s entertaining to read all this as an outsider.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a Clinton back in office in 2008? I think she could win.
Ummmm, I don’t understand the administration in power. They are soo adamant on spreading their gospel of democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq, but when Americans exercise their RIGHT to criticize THEM…….then they call it treason??? Democracy means ” a form of government exercised either directly by the people or through their elected representatives”, “rule by the majority” and “the practice of legal, political or social equality”. The last time I checked the majority of this country were minorities and only 5% of the poplualtion owns the wealth. Seems like they want to keep it that way…and stop the people from exercising their freedoms, their voices and their political views! Is democracy the word they really want to use?
supermom has it right but thankfully the press core is awakening and maybe now everyone on both sides will see things a little clearer. That said only because as people in this country seem to be glued to the telvision twenty- four seven it is the only way they get their news.
nice post pia.
Meanwhile, back in 380 BC…
Socrates – And democracy has her own good, of which the insatiable desire brings her to dissolution?
What good?
Freedom, I replied; which, as they tell you in a democracy, is the glory of the State–and that therefore in a democracy alone will the freeman of nature deign to dwell.
Yes; the saying is in every body’s mouth.
I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect of other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a demand for tyranny.
How so?
When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.
Yes, he replied, a very common occurrence.
Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?
Certainly not.
By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by getting among the animals and infecting them.
How do you mean?
I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his freedom,
and the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the metic, and the stranger is quite as good as either.
Yes, he said, that is the way.
And these are not the only evils, I said–there are several lesser ones: In such a state of society the master fears and flatters his scholars, and the scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old are all alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready to compete with
him in word or deed; and old men condescend to the young and are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be thought morose and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the young.
Quite true, he said.
The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money, whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each other.
Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?
That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add that no one who does not know would believe, how much greater is the liberty which the animals who are under the dominion of man have in a democracy than in any other State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb says, are as good as their she-mistresses, and the horses and asses have a way of marching along with all the rights and dignities of freemen; and they will run at any body who comes in their way if he does not leave the road clear for them: and all things are just ready to burst with liberty.
When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you describe. You and I have dreamed the same thing.
And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority, and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written or unwritten; they will have no one over them.
Yes, he said, I know it too well.
Such, my friend, I said, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which springs tyranny.
–Plato, “Republic”
-FJ
Thank you for voicing my frustration. I couldn’t even do it, I’m so heartsick and weary of the whole thing.
Oh, and I finally got Bloglines to accept your feed for me–not sure what was up with that!
Clinton WAS indicted – and convicted – of perjury. That’s why he lost his law license in AK and has to reapply to the NY bar in 5 years time.
Impeachment has to do with removing somebody from an office they were elected to – while he was impeached, he was not convicted by Congress so he got to stay President – same as Andrew Johnson.
You goofballs don’t VOTE, do you? If you do, check up on how government works. Thinking somebody is icky doesn’t work as grounds in the real world.
Darling, I raise 7 kids, I work, and I watch MSNBC,CNN and Fox News. I listen to ALL the sides of the story. I also find the time to read the articles of interest in major papares online. Voting is a responsibility that I take seriously. I take my children when I vote so they can learn by example.
When you address someone you don’t know and resort to name calling, you are reducing yourself to puerilistic tendenices. Honey, I am a republican, a Christian,a tax payer and a law abiding citizen and I don’t agree with the actions of this administration. Stop drinking the Kool Aid, read the Bible for yourself and do not allow people to lead you about like a sheep. I keep myself informed so that I can formulate my own opinion and not blindly follow sommeone else’s opinion. God gave me a brain and I intend to use it, not let someone else think for me. I don’t feel the need to belong and be reeled in like cattle. Some people need to feel that way, it gives them a false sense of security they need to stand and to function. I can see when something is wrong and not admit it. I don’t try to make excuses for a party. Sorry, I am not an enabler.
I can see when something is wrong and not admit it.
That sentence should read:
I can see when something is wrong and I admit it to be so.
Well said! I think the one thing that definitely sets the Clinton Impeachment apart from the Plame leak is the fact that whoever (be it Libby, Rove, Democrat or Republican) leaked a CIA operative’s name jeopardized the safety of the same people we rely on for intelligence for the sake of some political agenda. While Clinton’s impeachment proved to be a circus sideshow, grasping at moral paper tigers to satisfy a political vendetta, the Plume leak represents a real danger to American democracy, if the allegations presented by the Grand Jury prove true.
When the chief aide to the second-in-command of a nuclear superpower is accused of being a party to a national security breach, it is every American’s solemn duty, regardless of some stupid political party membership, to demand that justice be served. Revealing the name of a secret agent borders on treason; it is more akin to the actions of Benedict Arnold and John Wilkes Booth than even those of the Watergate conspirators.
Only a baffoon or an Armchair patriot would attempt to avoid this issue on the Right and in the Republican Party. This is not some battle over a political tactic. While I can’t pass judgment of Libby, if the allegations prove true then the current GOP Congressional leadership must step up to the plate and remember that their duty to uphold and defend this country outweighs partisanship.
That said, I think its a grave mistake for progressives to see this as some sort of moral victory or to try to tie this leak to a political ideology; I’m sorry to say that I think there are just as many amoral, bottom-feeding politicos on the Left as on the Right. I’ve seen too many “limosine liberals” attach themselve to the cause celebe, only to reveal themselves to be merely policy-toting hypocrites in the face of a real issue. For every snake in a suit in this current administration, there have been counterparts in previous Democratic administrations.
The Plame leak has to be an investigation and prosecution independent of ideologies, else we fulfill George Washington’s dire prediction that political parties will bring about the end of the American experiment.
Supermom–and Belinda
Thanks and why is it always the mommy’s who are the rational ones?
Farmer John–nobody has picked up on your comment because it bears no relevance other than to show you can copy and paste.
Usually I would delete your comment but you would then accuse me of “banning,” and “censoring” and I really don’t want to go there right now.
But because I left your comment in, I must leave Jason’s comment in, which reads like an ad for his blog, and I don’t like that. Even though it’s on “the same side.”
wonderwhy–I have included impeachment papers. Clinton was neither indicted nor convicted. He admitted to “walking a fine line between truth….” and thus lost his law license
Please check your facts before making a comment like that again
You have not the slightest clue as to how the impeachment process and apparently the judical system works
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/iguide.htm
But if he were to be convicted, he would cease to be president immediately upon the pronouncement of the judgment of conviction. A separate vote is required if the Senate wants to disqualify him from future office. Under the Senate rules, Secretary of the Senate Gary Sisco would deliver the judgment of conviction to Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright. Vice President Al Gore would then take the oath of office as president.
Did that happen? No. Did I make it up? No.
I really don’t like people who comment just to be nasty and who have nothing to add to a discussion or a post in general
Farmer John you come here again and put something like that in, it will be deleted immediately as it serves no purpose.
Jason if you put in a comment that reads like it should be a post–same thing
Bonnie’s comment is a model of a long impassioned comment that speaks of personal experience and uses facts
If you think the post is irrelevant, go ahead and delete it. I won’t complain. Promise. It was meant especially for you, and it seems you have read it. It’s simply a shame you didn’t get anything out of it. Well, you can lead a horse to water…
-FJ
Ooops, just one question. What kind of comment could I ever possibly make on this blog that would serve YOUR purpose? Just wondering. I know, it’s all about you. nuff said. Delete away.
-FJ
I understood it and chose not to respond to it as I could turn it around.
I will not delete it now for reasons stated above, and in other posts.
One more reason: I don’t trust you
Rather than look up a suitable quote, I will say this:
people who mock others tend not to be taken seriously.
You might think about that as you judge my life and me
There are things that you said in one comment that I might have wanted to answer, but I did read what you had to say about me in “G”s blog.
Therefore I have every reason not to trust you.
You said in a prior comment in a prior post something to the affect of “you will be watching me.”
Which comment should I take seriously? Hypothetical question; don’t want or expect an answer.
I will never argue with somebody who has judged my moral values and has found them to be lacking. Why should I? Again a hypothetical question.
I have let this thread run to show why I’m censoring future comments.
Go ahead and delete it. It’s your blog, you can do what you want to. It’s a free country. I won’t complain, really and I don’t feel any impulse to go trashing your rep through the “blogosphere”. Your rep will stand and fall on its’ own merits.
And I am not “mocking” you. I simply flat-out disagree with you and those of your particular political persuasion. And the Plato quote describes the attitude of those of your persuasion on BOTH sides of the aisle to a “tee”.
As citizens, we are not, and never will be, privy to all the information needed to govern this great nation. We need to rely on our leaders to stay informed and govern as they see appropriately, and to stop second guessing their every action, and destroying the careers of decent people like Plame and Libby simply to score partisan politcal points.
-FJ
I love it when the brown shirts start claiming that the GOP is winning “on the issues” or that they’re “the party of ideas”. They’re not. They win because they have more money. Illegal money that is corporate money which is then laundered. Must be nice to have a nearly unlimited supply of money for campaigns and media.
The same money laundering scheme used by DeLay and Company in Texas is also being used here in Ohio. The amount of money that Tom DeLay is being prosecuted for is a measley 199K. The amount of money under scrutiny here in Ohio is close to 14 million. When the GOP money machine is finally laid bare the whole nation will be astonished. And once the playing field is level the GOP will start losing in a big way.
Whoa…
Didn’t realize what I was writing was coming across as ad text. Not my intent at all, just sharing my opinions on the matter. Honestly, not sure what you mean. Really thought your post was well-written and well-defended. I just write what I think. But I will try to keep the shorter 🙂
No harm, no foul.